​​Ziua decisiva pentru Iohannis in America: presedintele a fost primit la Casa Alba de Donald Trump: Sunteti un aliat adevarat, o tara minunata

de Cristian Pantazi     HotNews.ro
Vineri, 9 iunie 2017, 18:08 Actualitate | Esenţial

Donald Trump si Klaus Iohannis la vizita anterioara
Foto: Facebook - Klaus Iohannis
Momentul culminant al vizitei lui Klaus Iohannis in SUA are loc azi: presedintele s-a intalnit cu Donald Trump la Casa Alba. Precedata de o intalnire cu secretarul de stat Rex Tillerson, vizita lui Iohannis la Casa Alba a inceput cu semnarea in cartea de onoare si 10 minute de convorbiri private cu Trump, urmate de convorbiri oficiale intre cele doua delegatii si o conferinta de presa. E prima conferinta de presa sustinuta de un presedinte roman la Casa Alba dupa Revolutie.
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21:50 Cei doi presedinti sunt asteptati la declaratii. Delegatiile oficiale au iesit din Casa Alba, impreuna cu cateva zeci de ziaristi

21:44 Imagini de la primirea in Biroul Oval

21:19 Imediat dupa sosire, Trump l-a condus pe Iohannis in biroul oval. Presedintele american a salutat parteneriatul strategic dintre cele doua tari.

"Sunteti un aliat adevarat, o tara minunata si avem o relatia minunata iar aceasta relatie a devenit si mai  buna", a spus Donald Trump.

"Este o mare placere si onoare pentru mine si abia astept sa discutam despre parteneriatul nostru", a raspuns Klaus Iohannis.

Ziaristii americani i-au adresat intrebari lui Trump despre audierea fostului director FBI Comey, dar acesta a ales sa le ignore. Intrebat despre rezultatul alegerilor din Marea Britanie, Donald Trump a spus ca acesta este "surprinzator.

21:02 Klaus Iohannis a ajuns la Casa Alba, unde a fost primit de Donald Trump

20:51 Rex Tillerson lauda Romania pentru progresele semnificative înregistrate în lupta anti-corupție și în sprijinul statului de drept: Un model în regiune

20:33 La Casa Alba a sosit Hans Klemm, ambasadorul SUA la Bucuresti

20:18 Televiziunile romane si cele americane s-au inslatat deja la intrarea in Casa Alba, in asteptarea primirii de catre Donald Trump a lui Klaus Iohannis (foto jos)

19.45 Declaratia comuna de presa a presedintilor Donald Trump si Klaus Iohannis (21:45, ora Romaniei) va fi transmisa LIVE aici

19:35 Klaus Iohannis isi incepe intalnirea cu seful diplomatiei americane, Rex Tillerson, la Departamentul de Stat (foto jos)

18.36 Klaus Iohannis este insotit de o delegatie formata din consilierii Bogdan Aurescu si Andrei Muraru, seful SRI Eduard Hellvig si ambasadorul George Maior (fostul sef al SRI)

18.26 Iohannis a anuntat in urma cu doua zile cateva teme in discutia cu Donald Trump: securitatea pe flancul estic, probleme economice si parteneriatul strategic dintre Romania si SUA

Presa americana asteapta cu infrigurare conferinta de presa, vazand aici o oportunitate de a pune intrebari legate de audierea de ieri in Senat a fostului sef FBI

Programul zilei (ora Romaniei):

19:40: Întâlnire cu Rex Tillerson, Secretar de Stat
21:00: Sosirea la Casa Albă – Primirea de către Preşedintele Statelor Unite ale Americii, domnul Donald Trump, Casa Albă, North Entrance Hall
21:05: Semnarea în Cartea de Onoare, Roosevelt Room
21:10: Convorbiri tete-à-tête cu Preşedintele Statelor Unite ale Americii, domnul Donald Trump, Biroul Oval
21:20: Convorbiri oficiale cu Preşedintele Statelor Unite ale Americii, domnul Donald Trump, Cabinet Room
21:45: Conferinta de presă comună Donald Trump - Klaus Iohannis, in Rose Garden
Declarația de presă va fi  transmisa live la:  http://bit.ly/1W2j1gx.
22:05: Plecare de la Casa Albă - Președintele României este condus de către Presedintele SUA, Casa Albă, North Entrance

10 iunie 2017

Declarația de presă comună a Președintelui României, domnul Klaus Iohannis, cu Președintele Statelor Unite ale Americii, domnul Donald Trump

 Vă prezentăm în continuare transcrierea declarației de presă, în limba engleză:

President of the United States of America, Mr. Donald Trump: Thank you very much! President Iohannis, thank you for being here! It’s an honor to welcome such a good friend of America to the White House. As you know the people of Romania and America share much in common – a love of freedom, proud cultures, rich traditions and a vast landscape to call home. The relation between our countries stretches back well over a century, but today we celebrate the Strategic Partnership that began 20 years ago. That partnership covers many dimensions, including economic, military and cultural ties. And today we are making those ties even stronger. Mr. President, your visit comes at an important moment, not just in this partnership, but among all of the responsible nations of the world. I have just returned from a historic trip to Europe and the Middle East, where I worked to strengthen our alliances, forge new friendships and unite all c ivilized peoples in the fight against terrorism. No civilized nation can tolerate violence or allow this wicked ideology to spread on its shores.

I addressed a summit of more than 50 Arab and Muslim leaders – a unique meeting in the history of nations, where key players in the regions agreed to stop supporting terrorism, whether it be financial, military or even moral support. The nation of Qatar unfortunately has historically been a funder of terrorism at a very high level. In the wake of that conference, nations came together and spoke to me about confronting Qatar over its behavior. Se we had a decision to make – do we take the easy road or do we finally take a hard but necessary action? We have to stop the funding of terrorism. I decided along with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, our great generals and military people the time had come to call on Qatar to end its funding. They have to end that funding and its extremist ideology in terms of funding. I want to call on all nations to immediately stop supporting terrorism. Stop teaching people to kill other people! Stop filing thei r mind with hate and intolerance! I won’t name other countries.

But we are not done solving the problem, but we will solve that problem. We have no choice. This is my great priority because it is my first duty as President to keep our people safe. Defeating ISIS and other terrorist organizations is something I emphasized all during my campaign and right up until the present. To do that, stop funding, stop teaching hate and stop the killing! For Qatar, we want you back among the unity of responsible nations. We ask Qatar and other nations in the region to do more and do it faster,

I want to thank Saudi Arabia and my friend, King Salman, and all countries who participated in that very historic summit. it was truly historic.There has never been anything like it before and perhaps there never will be again. Hopefully, it will be the beginning of the end of funding terrorism, it will therefore be the beginning of the end to terrorism. No more funding!

I also want to thank the Romanian people for everything they contribute to our common defense and the fight against the evil menace of terrorism. They have their own difficulties with it and they’ve come a long way and they’ve done a lot. Romania has been a valuable member of the coalition to defeat ISIS and it's the 4th largest contributor of troops in Afghanistan. There, 23 of your citizens have paid the ultimate price and America honors their sacrifice.

I want to recognize President Iohannis for his leadership in committing Romania this year to increase its Defense spending from 1.4 % of the GDP to over 2%. We hope our other NATO allies will follow Romania’s lead on meeting their financial obligations in paying their fair share for the cost of Defense. But I will say this: That because of our actions, money is starting to pour into NATO. The money is starting to pour in. Other countries are starting to realize that it’s time to pay up and they’re doing that. Very proud of that fact! As you know, I have been an advocate for strengthening our NATO alliance among member nations through greater responsibility and burden sharing and that is what is happening. Because together we can confront the common security challenges facing the world.

Mr. President, I want to applaud your courage and your courageous efforts in Romania to fight corruption and defend the rule of law! This work is necessary to create an environment where trade and commerce can flourish and where citizens can prosper. I look forward to working with you to deepen the ties of both commerce and culture between our two countries. Romanians have made contributions to the US and to the world. Very notable among them was Nobel prize laureate Elie Wiesel who was born in Romania and sadly passed away almost one year ago. And I understand that earlier this week, the American Jewish Committee presented President Iohannis with its very prestigious Light Unto the Nations Award for his work to further Holocaust remembrance and education in Romania. I join the AJC in saluting your leadership in this vital cause. The people of Romania have endured many, many hardships, but they have made a truly remarkable historical journey.

The future of Romania and Romania’s relationship with the US is very, very bright. President Iohannis, I thank you for your leadership and I thank you again for being here today. I look forward to strengthening our alliance with your country and our bonds with your people. The relationship has been good, but now it’s stronger than ever. Thank you very much!

President of Romania, Mr. Klaus Iohannis: President Trump, thank you so much for the words you found for Romania, for the Romanian people and for me. Thank you very much for the invitation to be here today with you and thank you so much for arranging this nice weather in this place.

Mr President, I am very glad that we had such a good meeting. And this is due to your strong leadership and this is also due to our strong partnership. Obviously the fact that we celebrate 20 years of strategic partnership this year is important for both our nations and it is important to know, and that is what I want to underline, that this partnership with the United States of America shaped Romania as it is today. Romania, a solid democracy with a solid and sustainable economic growth. Romania, which stands together with the US troops in Afghanistan, we stand together in Iraq.

Mister President, this partnership contributed greatly to what Romania is today and this partnership was and is very important. And I think this partnership not only has to continue, this partnership has to become stronger, this partnership has to define our bilateral relations and this partnership has to contribute to solve so many problems.

President Trump, you mentioned terrorism. I am very glad that due to your strong leadership NATO decided to go against terrorism. Your involvement made so many nations conscious of the fact that we have to share the burden inside NATO. This is way Romania also decided - and if I am right – Romania is the first country during your mandate to step up to 2% of GDP for defense spending. Significant part of this defense spending is going into strategic acquisitions, and I hope, President Trump, that we find good ways together to make good use of this money.

Romania is very conscious of the fact that we stand on the Eastern Flank and we heavily rely on your partnership, President Trump, because we cannot stand there without the US, we cannot stand there alone. On the other hand, our partnership has huge opportunity to step up not only on security matters, but also on commercial, economic matters. And this is very important.

Romania is a member of the European Union and I think it’s in the best interest of you, Mr. President, to have a strong European Union as a partner. This is vital for all of us. Our relationship, the transatlantic link is vital. The transatlantic link is not about diplomacy, about policy, it is at the basis of our Western civilization and together we will make it stronger, together we will make it better.

NATO and the European Union do not have to compete against each other, they have to work together, they have to work in such a manner as to produce synergetic effects, to make NATO stronger, make Europe stronger, make the United States of America stronger. And this is what we decided, President Trump and I, to make our partnership stronger, better, more enduring and this will lead very soon to an enhanced economic exchange, to better commerce. And this is what we all decided and what we wish, because we are responsible, President Trump and I, not only for the security, we are responsible for the well being of our citizens and this is what we are decided to do.

Thank you so much, President Trump!

Q&A session

Journalist: This morning, on Twitter, you were referring to the testimony of James Comey vindicating you. But I wondered if you could tell us in person why you feel that his testimony vindicated you when it really boils down to this word against your word. And if you could also tell us do tapes exists of your conversations with him?

President of the United States of America, Donald Trump: Well, I will tell you about that maybe some other time in the near future. But in the meantime no collusion, no obstruction, he is a leaker, but we want to get back to running out great country. Jobs, trade deficits, we want them to disappear fast. North Korea-big problem, Middle East - big problem, so that is what I have been focused on but yesterday showed no collusion, no obstruction, we are doing very well. That was an excuse of the Democrats who lost an election that some people think that shouldn’t have lost, because it’s almost impossible for the Democrats to lose the Electoral College, as you know. You have to run up the whole East Coast to win everything as a Republican and that’s just as we did. So is just an excuse. But we were very, very happy and frankly James Comey confirmed a lot of what I’ve said and some of the things that he said just wer en’t true. Thank you very much.

Journalist: A couple of weeks ago, President Trump was in Brussels at a NATO meeting and not only was he encouraging NATO members to pay up the 2% required of GDP for national defense, but he was also saying that countries including yours who have not paid 2% in the past should make up for that difference. Do you think that is fair?

President of Romania, Mr. Klaus Iohannis: I was in Brussels and I met President Trump and I listened to his speech and I liked it, because, you see, NATO is based on values, but it is, ultimately, a military alliance, and you know, military spending are complicated and you need a lot of money, because NATO is the strongest alliance the Earth ever saw and we want to keep it that way. So we have to spend money for defense purposes and spending money means that if you are in an alliance everybody has to spend money. This is called burden sharing and I fully agree, Mr. President, to that. So of course some people liked this better, and some didn’t like it that much. But it’s a simple fact that we have to do this, not as a purpose in itself, we have to do this to stay strong, to be strong and to defend our nations.

President of the United States of America, Donald Trump: 100% correct, and, you know, one of the things I was referring to during that speech was yes, they haven’t paid what they should be paying now, but for many years they haven’t been paying, so I said do we ever go back paying the money for many, many years past. I know no President has ever asked that question, but I do.  We are going to make NATO very strong, you need the money to make it strong, you can’t just do what we’ve been doing in the past. So I did say “yes, you haven’t paid this year. But what about past years, the many past years when you haven’t paid?” Perhaps you should pay some or all of that money back.

Journalist: I have a question for President Trump. On the matters of security, many of the countries of the Eastern Flank of NATO including Romania see Russia as a threat to the security in the region. Do you share this vision or do you think that the US should act under Article 5, if any of these countries will be under military aggression? Thank you very much.

President of the United States of America, Donald Trump: Well, I am committing the United States and have committed, but I am commiting the United States to Article 5 and certainly, we are there to protect and that is one of the reasons that I want people to make sure we have a very strong force by paying the kind of money necessary to have that force. But yes, absolutely I’d be committed to Article 5.

Journalist: Were there any discussions about the Visa Waiver program for Romania? Is there a time frame for including our country in this program? Thank you.

President of the United States of America, Donald Trump: We did not discuss it, but it would be something we will discuss.

President of Romania, Klaus Iohannis: I mentioned this issue and I also mentioned it during other meetings I had because this is important for us, it is important for Romanians who want to come to the United States. And you see, more and more people come, President Trump, from Romania to the United States. Some come as tourists, some come for business and those who come for business should be encouraged. So the matter of Visa Waiver would be probably important to discuss and we all hope that we will advance on this.

Journalist: Mister President, I want to get back to James Comey’s testimony. You suggested that he didn’t tell the truth in everything he said. He did say under oath that you said you hope the Flynn investigation…

President of the United States of America, Donald Trump: I didn’t say that.

Journalist: So he lied about that.

President of the United States of America, Donald Trump: Well, I didn’t say that. I mean I will tell you… I didn’t say that.

Journalist: And did he ask you to pledge…

President of the United States of America, Donald Trump: And it would be nothing wrong if I did say according to everybody that I read today but I did not say that.

Journalist: And did he asked for a pledge of loyalty from you?

President of the United States of America, Donald Trump: No, he did not.

Journalist: So he said those things under oath, would you be willing to speak under oath to give your version of…

President of the United States of America, Donald Trump: 100%. I hardly know the man, I’m not going to say I want you to pledge allegiance, who would do that? Who would ask a man to pledge allegiance under oath? Think of it. I hardly know the man. It doesn’t make the sense.  No, I didn’t say that and I didn’t say the other.

Journalist: So if Robert Mueller wanted to speak with you about that…

President of the United States of America, Donald Trump: I would be glad to tell him exactly what I just told you.

Journalist: And it seemed to be hinting that there are recordings of those conversations.

President of the United States of America, Donald Trump: I’m not hinting anything, I will tell you about it over a very short period of time.

Journalist: When will you tell us?

President of the United States of America, Donald Trump: Over a very short period of time. You will be very disappointed when you hear the answer, no worry. 

Journalist: President Iohannis, you are no stranger to Russian aggression. Vladimir Putin recently suggested that Romania could be in Russia crosshairs. How concerned should the world be about the Russian aggression in your region and how concerned should we be here in the US about what Russia tried to do in our election?

President of Romania, Klaus Iohannis: Everybody is concerned. But you see, being concerned should lead you to being prepared. So, in my opinion, we have to be very clear, very simple and very straightforward if we talk about Russia and with Russia. In my opinion, we need dialogue, but on the other hand we need what we all together decided in NATO: a strong deterrence. This combination, strong deterrence and dialogue should lead towards a solution which is feasible for every part.

Journalist: Mr. President Trump, you mentioned earlier an anti-corruption fight in Romania. It is a matter of high importance in our country, but we see now that the anti-corruption fight and the effort to consolidate the rule of law are sometimes undermined by some politicians. Part of what we can call ‘the Bucharest swamp’. Is your Administration going to support the anti-corruption fight in Romania and how can you do it? Thank you.

President of the United States of America, Donald Trump: Well, we support very strongly Romania and therefore obviously we do support that fight on anti-corruption. We will always support that and we support your President. We think he has done an outstanding job, very popular, very solid, working very hard, we know everything that is going on and he is going to win that fight, he is going to win that battle, but he has our support.

Journalist: Do you see the corruption in Romania as a problem for the US-Romania Partnership and for the American investors? Because we still have corruption in Romania despite this anti-corruption fight.

President of the United States of America, Donald Trump: Well you do, but I can tell you that there are many American investors right now going to Romania and investing. In fact, I was giving a chart just before our meeting and we have people going over to Romania and investing and they weren’t doing that a number of years ago. So that is a very big progress and there really are a lot of congratulations in store, but a lot of people are investing from our country to yours and people love from Romania the United States and they come here a lot and we are very proud of them. Thank you very much. 

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13571 vizualizari

  • -37 (43 voturi)    
    trompa (Vineri, 9 iunie 2017, 18:32)

    om simplu din multime [utilizator]

    a fost inmuiat de originile niemtzasti ale lui herr primar.
    ca de, sangele apa nu se face, nici pe dumbovitza nici pe potomac.

    si i'a mai placut ca, in ciuda sustinatorilor sai, antitrompisti vehementi, primarele de cotrocesti e mai pragmatic. si tot asa, nu'i prea pasa de ce zice targul.

    deci, mai draga, cum naiba ca pe herru il laudati pt. indolenta iar pe trompa il acuzati de toate relele, si ca acuma laudati aceasta intalnire, devenita istorica acum vreo zece zile, inainte sa se intample. :-))

    deci, ce va fi fost acolo, in oval, va ramane scris in cartile de istorie ale lui boia. :-)
    apropos de oval, parca si joana se lauda ca si'a pus fiul cu sezutul pe ...biroul oval. :-))
    • +6 (6 voturi)    
      Sa fim pragmatici! (Sâmbătă, 10 iunie 2017, 8:15)

      Impotriva prostiei din tara [utilizator] i-a raspuns lui om simplu din multime

      Chiar daca Trump a folosit cumva vizita lui Iohannis pentru a-si transmite mesajele privind declaratiile lui Comey in fata Senatului american si a arata lumii intregi ca este cel putin in aparenta un anti-rus cand e vorba de cea mai pro-americana natiune din Europa, am obtinut ce am vrut. Promisiunea ca SUA va apara Romania in caz de atac militar si va sustine in continuare lupta anticoruptie, dandu-i un cec in alb lui Iohannis in acest sens.
      Win-win situation...
    • +1 (1 vot)    
      Doua declaratii fara echivoc (Sâmbătă, 10 iunie 2017, 14:14)

      motanul_gri [utilizator] i-a raspuns lui om simplu din multime

      Trump a declarat ca SUA sunt 100 % alaturi de aliatii din NATO. ("But yes, absolutely I’d be committed to Article 5."). Clar si raspicat !

      De asemenea, a spus un lucru pe care noi deja il banuiam : SUA sunt la curent cu lupta anti-coruptie din Romania, stiu care sunt actorii implicati, care sunt motivatiile fiecaruia. Si, in deplina cunostinta de cauza, sustin eforturile presedintelui Iohannis in acest sens ("we do support that fight on anti-corruption. We will always support that and we support your President. We think he has done an outstanding job, very popular, very solid, working very hard, we know everything that is going on and he is going to win that fight, he is going to win that battle, but he has our support").
  • -29 (45 voturi)    
    strategie (Vineri, 9 iunie 2017, 19:27)

    Mazeta [utilizator]

    Donald Trump este imprevizibil și poate spune orice îi trece prin cap, de aceea Iohannis trebuie să aibă pregătite 2-3 discursuri radical diferite, pentru orice eventualitate.
    • +9 (17 voturi)    
      Comentariu sters de utilizator (Vineri, 9 iunie 2017, 19:48)

      [anonim] i-a raspuns lui Mazeta

    • +19 (23 voturi)    
      Rublele au gust amar in seara asta ... (Vineri, 9 iunie 2017, 21:28)

      Allrounder [utilizator] i-a raspuns lui Mazeta

      Nu-i asa ca simti o usturime in organul cu care vorbesti? Nu m-am referit la cap ...
    • +17 (21 voturi)    
      In schimb Dragneev , o tine intr-una cu gratierea (Vineri, 9 iunie 2017, 21:38)

      DEMA GOGU' [utilizator] i-a raspuns lui Mazeta

      ...pedepsei proprii .
  • +9 (17 voturi)    
    Ce urmareste haita A3? (Vineri, 9 iunie 2017, 20:53)

    Ciobanul Bucur [utilizator]

    Haita A3 din studioul din Bucuresti (masculul Alfa al haitei e deja in SUA) lanseaza in eter "mari asteptari ale romanilor" de la intalnirea Iohannis-Tramp, constienti ca intalnirea nu va rezolva practic nimic concret pe plan economic, dar asta va da ocazia invitatilor haitei sa-si exprime apoi dezamagirea pentru rezultatele concrete.
  • -13 (19 voturi)    
    Comentariu sters de utilizator (Vineri, 9 iunie 2017, 21:18)


    • +2 (2 voturi)    
      vezi (Sâmbătă, 10 iunie 2017, 11:45)

      nahir [utilizator] i-a raspuns lui

      ca dragnea paturica, crezand ca se duce la Istambul sa-si ia caftan de domnitor, a dat cel putin 250.000 de iepuri pentru doar 5 minute pe langa masa lui Trump.
      Johannis e de-o saptamana acolo si nu se poate face comparatie cu penalul presedinte de pesede.
  • +12 (16 voturi)    
    hopa! (Vineri, 9 iunie 2017, 21:40)

    Bolovanul [utilizator]

    ..pai cum asa! Daddy a platit degeaba? ..uuups!
  • -15 (23 voturi)    
    Comey ne ia fata... (Vineri, 9 iunie 2017, 21:48)

    unualibro [utilizator]

    Presa america n-are nici o treaba cu Romania. Veti vedea 90% intrebari despre Comey si hackerii rusi. Romania e un subiect colateral.
    • +13 (13 voturi)    
      pai normal... (Vineri, 9 iunie 2017, 23:50)

      Foxcrawl.com [utilizator] i-a raspuns lui unualibro

      pana la urma are si Trump dreptate ca uneori reporterii sunt imbecili si bat campii amestecand subiectele.
  • +27 (27 voturi)    
    A fost perfect Johannis la conferintza de presa (Vineri, 9 iunie 2017, 22:29)

    transalpinarum [utilizator]

    Engleza perfecta, a vorbit foarte cursiv, asa cum nu prea ne-a dat ocazia. Se pare ca se intelege cu Trump :). si faptul ca Trump are scandalul cu fostul sef al FBI, e chiar bine, ca a pus reflectoarele pe aceasta conferinta de presa.
  • +17 (17 voturi)    
    Era sa uit--- crapa Daddy (Vineri, 9 iunie 2017, 22:35)

    transalpinarum [utilizator]

    Hamsterul cred ca e naucit si el.... esteeeee!
    • +13 (13 voturi)    
      Cu atat mai mult cu cat Radu Tudor (Vineri, 9 iunie 2017, 23:19)

      Susufler0 [utilizator] i-a raspuns lui transalpinarum

      a innebunit pe Latrina : il lauda de mama focului pe Iohannis si numeste intalnirea lui cu Trump "una istorica" !

      PS. Noroc ca-l elibereaza astia acu'-acu' si vine sa faca curat in bude, pardon, in Latrine ! !
      • +2 (2 voturi)    
        adevarul (Sâmbătă, 10 iunie 2017, 11:48)

        nahir [utilizator] i-a raspuns lui Susufler0

        e ca Johannis a avut o intalnire istorica in timp ce livache a avut una isterica, inParlament, incununata si de absentele lui gridescu si stefan.
    • +7 (13 voturi)    
      Hamstaru suge din sticla de whiskey (Sâmbătă, 10 iunie 2017, 0:24)

      Parzivall [utilizator] i-a raspuns lui transalpinarum

      Pe care a julit-o cand a fost la papat si baut de investire. Sticla julita care a costat 200k $....
    • 0 (0 voturi)    
      nu vezi (Sâmbătă, 10 iunie 2017, 11:46)

      nahir [utilizator] i-a raspuns lui transalpinarum

      ce pamantiu este?
  • -2 (4 voturi)    
    Deja vu... (Sâmbătă, 10 iunie 2017, 11:39)

    echidistantul_ [utilizator]

    Exact cuvintele astea le spunea Hitler despre Antonescu. Inainte de Cotul Donului, ca dupa aia, lucrurile au luat o alta turnura...
    Pe cand celebrele cuvinte rostite rar si macanit " Va ordon treceti Prutul?"
    • +1 (1 vot)    
      Diferente (Sâmbătă, 10 iunie 2017, 13:55)

      motanul_gri [utilizator] i-a raspuns lui echidistantul_

      Cand Antonescu a rostit acele vorbe, Germania si Uniunea Sovietica se aflau deja in stare de razboi. Maresalul a inteles perfect ca, in acel moment, victoria Axei ramasese singura varianta posibila pentru evitarea instaurarii comunismului in intreaga Europa de Est. Daca Germania era invinsa, nu mai exista in Europa absolut nicio putere capabila sa opreasca tavalugul sovietic sa ajunga pana la tarmul Atlanticului (Pearl Harbor inca nu avusese loc si America era in neutralitate).

      Antonescu, un anticomunist convins, pur si simplu a ales ceea ce lui i s-a parut raul cel mai mic : a decis sa ajute efortul de razboi al Germaniei, recuperand simultan si Basarabia.
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      Revenind la situatia de astazi, nu vad niciun fel de asemanare cu 1941. NATO este o alianta defensiva, nu intentioneaza sa invadeze teritorii straine. Si, pentru a fi corecti pana la capat, trebuie sa recunoastem ca nici Rusia nu e acelasi lucru cu URSS, iar Putin (indiferent cat de antipatic ar fi unora din noi) nu e Stalin.

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