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Despre drumul parcurs pana in prezent de oamenii de stiinta de la CERN, rezultatele obtinute, creatiune vs evolutionism, materie si spirit, Dr. Vincent Keisen Vuillemin, seful Departamentul de Inginerie al Centrului European pentru Cercetari Nucleare, dar si Maestru Zen, a discutat online cu cititorii HotNews.
Cine este Vincent Keisen Vuillemin
A construit prototipuri de detectoare de particule proiectate sa masoare energia particulelor ce ies din coliziunea dintre protonii accelerati de LHC
A participat la experimentul ATLAS, cel mai mare detector de particule conceput si realizat vreodata
Impreuna cu Grupul si Departamentul sau de la CERN au asamblat numeroase elemente ale acceleratorului si sunt responsabili pentru intreaga retea electrica a CERN-ului, pentru inginerie si metalurgie, ca si pentru sistemul de ventilație a tunelului LHC si a multor elemente ale masinii
A lucrat alaturi de Prof. Carlo Rubia in cadrul unui experiment ce a fost decisiv pentru intelegerea interactiunii dintre constituentii materiei.
A fost responsabil pentru detectorul central al experimentului care explora rezultatul anihilarii la energie inalta dintre materie si anti-materie. In urma experimentului, noi particule ai fost descoperite, numite W si Z, sau intermediate bosons (bosoni intermediari) care sunt particulele de baza schimbate in interacțiuni slab-electromagnetice (una dintre forțele interactive din universul nostru).
“Il puteti vedea pe Vincent Keisen Vuillemin si in aceasta seara, de la ora 19.00, la Muzeul Taranului Roman, unde va sustine o conferinta despre intalnirea dintre Zen si Stiinta moderna”, fiind invitatul Centrului Seeds for Happiness si Mokusho Zen House.
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2.Are there a sustainable theories that explain the Cambrian explosion?
As you certainly know, all of the today's complex life form appeared then, in a relatively very short period of time, which is very odd regarding the usual evolution.
3.What do you think about the quantum mind theories? Do you believe there is a connection between conscience, spirit/soul and maybe quantum physics? The idea that our thoughts may come from within the limits of the uncertainty principle is fascinating; in this context not event with the understanding of the entire Universe we won't be able to know how thoughts came.
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În limba română:
1.Există oameni de ştiinţă respectabili (no doar biologi) care nu cred în teoria evoluţiei? Mai exact a macroevoluţiei – organismele nu evoluează dintr-o specia într-alta.
2.Există teorii sustenabile care explică explozia din Cambrian?
După cum prea bine ştiţi, toată viaţa complexă a apărut atunci, într-o perioadă relativ scurtă de timp; ceea ce este foarte bizar, având în vedere evoluţia obişnuită.
3. Ce părere aveţi despre teoriile minţii cuantice? Credeţi că există vreo legătură între conştiinţă, suflte şi poate fizica cuantică? Ideea că gândurile vin din limitele principiul de nedeterminare este fascinantă; în acest context nici chiar dacă înţelegem tot Universul, nu vom putea şti de unde vin gândurile.
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On the other hand the world has been submitted to great catastrophies, like the one in the Cambrian, where a comet hit the earth. This single cut in normal evlolution made a big changes, dinosaures disappeared and small animals living on nuts and not plants could start their own evolution.
Intrebari:
1. Recunosteti in Capra un inaintas al dvs?
2. Cum vedeti viitorul relatiei Zen/fizica?
For very long science and spirituality were two separate domains. More and more I believe that a profound reflexion will continue in reunifying science and spirituality, even science and religion. That is probably also what most of people would like to possess in their life, knowledge, meaning objective knowledge provided by science but also inner spirituality in their life. So they will be able to unify these two directions in themselves.
Zen is not a belief, religions have belief. So in zen eithet we do not believe to any magic creation by any god.
The discussion is apparently not only about "evolution" and "matter" but also about "creationism" and "spirit". Are you gonna talk about "creationism" and "spirit" from a scientific perspective, from a Zen perspective, or you'll mix your scientific knowledge with your private metaphysical commitments?
When you talk about creationism and spirit could you please specify whether it is a scientific position or a private (Zen) opinion?
Is there an explanatory necessity for the metaphysical-religious discourse in a scientific paradigm or a marginal speculative possibility?
Thank you!
It is a discipline to understand deeply oneself, who we are, what is our mind, so it develops a knowledge of our self.
Scientific approach is also developing the knowledge that we have about our world. But we are not separated from our world. So knowledge of oneself and knowledge of our universe go together. In the future more and more these two approaches will become closer and closer.
So the zen way is better to approach also science as religions as it does not have dogmas.
1) presupunand ca bosonul Higgs nu va fi observat in timpul experimentelor efectuate in cadrul LHC, atunci Modelul Standard din fizica particulelor elementare mai poate fi viabil, considerand ca nici gravitonul nu a fost inca descoperit?
2) presupunand ca bosonul Higgs va fi totusi observat in timpul experimentelor efectuate in cadrul LHC, acest fapt ar putea aduce descoperiri revolutionare in ceea ce priveste noi posibilitati de propulsie sau generare a energiei? Multumesc!
In both cases that will be a revolution, either new domain of research or our understanding would be correct and that would be it.
So we have to wait for the results of the LHC experiments in the next years.
This is a practice of peace, and allow the people to know, recognize and control their emotions. Then yes, this is a practice which will help peace in the world.
2. How do you see the future: full of technology and robots or a very natural and spiritual one?
I just cannot imagine the future with robots. People need to get close to their own self, otherwise they will be totally lost. So I frmly believe that if the world wants to survive, it will have to be more and more spiritual. This is what I wish, anyway.
I have two questions - one for the Physicist, the other for the Zen Master:
1. Is there any evidence that elementary particles are subject of self-organization processes, similar to what happens in biological swarms?
2. All the species evolve by adapting to a dynamic environment. Humans are evolving by adapting to an artificial, man-made, environment. Isn't that dangerous?
Humans and environment are fully linked. In each of these questions, the answer is more on the side to find a third dimension where any contradiction, apparent, is suppressed. So humans I believe go through evolution due to many factors, themselves and envirenmental. Dangerous ? we will see then.
ati participat vreodata la o Sfanta Liturghie a Bisericii Crestin Ortodoxe ??
Sa nu uitam ca mari savanti ai secolului XX au "sfarsit" prin a recunoaste ca deasupra tuturor mai "exista ceva"!!!
Doamne ajuta !
Multumesc!
Thank you
In opinia dumneavoastra, care este conexiunea dintre constiinta, energie si materie?
2. ati incercat si alte cai spirituale?
3. exista cercetari care au pus in evidenta existenta ki-ului?
There is a beautiful zen dojo in Bucharest, you should go and try zazen with the other practicants and monks.
Ki is energy. Now the universe is expanding, we believe that it is due to dark energy, the energy contained in vacuity. So yes, there is evidence. Also if you live it means that you have ki !!
1) daca este de acord cu ipoteza ca Universul e o holograma si ca în aceasta perspectiva suntem toti niste Dumnezei , cf cartii lui Michael Talbot , Holographic Universe :
http://www.amazon.fr/Holographic-Universe-Michael-Talbot/dp/0060922583/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=english-books&qid=1270744968&sr=1-2
2) daca crede în reâncarnare si ce ne-ar recomanda sa citim ca sa întelegem mai multe despre o eventuala lume a spiritelor ( locatie, dinamica, organizare, etc) (asta în calitate de maestru Zen) .
3) daca raspunsul la întrebarea 2 e pozitiv, daca crede ca exista mai multe dimensiuni decât cele 4 pe care le cunoastem noi azi ( 3 + timpul) si când anume o sa progresam în cunoasterea lor .
4) daca e posibil ca experimentul CERN sa duca la descoperirea unor noi forme de energie utilizabile în viitor ( posibil "furate" de la extraterestrii ???)
Multumesc.
CERN, if it exists, may discover new forms of particles. Energy is energy.
1.exista universuri paralele?
2.de ce uneori apar distorsiuni de timp(fizic sau mental)
3.se poate modifica orbita(locatia) pamantului cu tehnica actuala?
4.toate particulele sunt la fel in multiuniversuri(daca exista) sau au opusul lor ?
5.cum comentati experimentul philadelphia?
6.cercetarile echipei sunt bazate si pe descoperirile Hendrik B. G. Casimir, Otto Stern?
7.In caz de esec a unei etape ale proiectului ce sistem de avertizare aveti fata de populatia globului?
8.de ce incercati sa aflati originea unui univers cand pot exista infinit? o sa construiti un CERN pe toate din acestea?
9.o gaura neagra nu poate fi o poarta catre alt univers deoarece intre datele (BUS DATA) existente nu exista o relatie de feedback care conform cuantumului efect-cauza este supranecesar.Deci pentru ce interes pentru black holes?)poate si financiar...)
10.cum scapati de energia degajata in sistem (se stie ca nici o tehnologie actuala nu poate inmagazina sau consuma o energie echivalenta din testul final al acceleratorului cand atinge punctul critic)
We cannot change the orbit of such a big planet.
is 6000 years old than was the Universe created.
Science has established that there are distances
of billions of light years to the far galaxies. This seems
to contradict the Young Earth concept. Logically there are two possibilities:
a) the velocity of light is very low, snail like;
b) Young Earth concept is a fairy tale for adults
What do you think, Master?
Thank you!
I think it is a nice tale but for children.
Albert Einstein ne da ecuatia E = mc2 (patrat) si face afirmatia : Putini vor intelege semnificatiile acestei ecuatii.
Cum vedeti dumneavoatra cele doua afirmatii ?
Va multumesc mult
I dont believe in God but my faith in myself is real.
If not, what kind of meditation do you practice?
What's your opinion about the Unified field theory?
Unified Field Theory is certainly a desire to unify the forces in universe. It is by far complete.
Question: From where they came,who send them and where they go ?
It is a physical phenomenon, there is nobody really doing it.
(Dune, F. Herbert).
Some questions, then:
1) Why zen and not scientology ? Why should we believe Dr. Vuillemin and not Tom Cruise ?
2) Besides the comforting role for the masses (and hence the political implications for mass control),
do we, as individuals, really need any kind of religion after all ? In other words, can we rationally find God ? (Wittgenstein concludes that questions like the last one above are nonsense, just linguistic combinations)
3) Rephrasing 2): science seems to prove more and more that most of our features, if not all (behavior, appearance, biological constitution and so on) are controlled, determined by genes. What's left for the Spirit ? Quantum mechanics, perhaps ? And then Matter is Spirit and so on, the eternal vicious circle ?
If the people want to believe in God, they are free to do it if it is good for them. Personnally I dont, and I dont need it.
Genes, living bodies should not be separated from mind. A human being is a body-mind complex, no need to separate them, there is no mind without body.
Romania has been recently admitted unanimously as a candidate to become later a full memeber of CERN This is a great advantage for Romania as well as for CERN. Romanian scientist have been collaborating from the 90's with CERN and have brought essential contributions in the construction of the LHC experiments.
As candidate, Romania will be able to send its young scientists to CERN as Fellows, doctorants and scientific associates. All Romanian scientists will be able to use all facilities at CERN. In addtion the Romanian Industries will be able to apply to the CERN offers for construction in all domains.
In 5 years, if Romania and CERN agree, and if the CERN conditions are met for Romania, it can then become a full member of this international scientific community. Already Romanian professors have come for training and information to CERN. So all these exchanges profiting the Romanian students and professors will also increse.
This is an excellent news for both, Romania and CERN.
Also we are prudent in increasing slowly the intensity of the machine.
At the moment we have started and it all goes well. It will take some years before this very complicated accelerator complex reaches its nominal luminosity and energy. The experiments will certainly also continue searching for new phenomena, Higss, others. For such discoveries a big amount of data needs to be collected, this is what we hope to do during 2010 and 2011. Then a shutdown to upgrade things in order to reach full energy.